Friday, November 1, 2013

Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood: Contradictions and Other Fallacies

One of the most longstanding arguments is the absence of women elders in the Bible. But it doesn't seem to be the case.

Fallacy # 6 Women Elders

Schreiner tries to deny the existence of women elders in the Bible, but by doing so, he unwittingly proves their existence.


Find it in Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood

Schreiner: p 220


Madigan and Osiek wrote, “While synods and councils, both East and West, repeatedly condemned the practice of women prebyters, the epigraphical evidence suggest their ongoing existence, even if in small numbers.”[1] Since their disappearance, there has been a great effort to equate woman elders with widows, the widows with deaconesses and the deaconesses with lay-women without an official function to deny the existence of women officeholders in the church.

Schreiner, for example, does not believe presbytides refers to female elders in Titus 2:3 for according to him, the usual word for “elders” is presbyteros which “could easily have been made feminine (presbytera) if Paul wanted to refer to women elders.[2] If Schreiner is correct “older women” should be translated “woman elder” in 1 Timothy 5:1-2:

Do not rebuke an older man (presbuteros) harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men (neoterous) as brothers, older women (presbytera) as mothers and younger women (neoteras) as sisters, with absolute purity. (NIV)

The usual translation, and interpretation, of the above text is that Paul is talking about elderly people. But if the words presbytas and presbytidas were used of the elderly and presbyteros and presbyteras of officeholders, how can 1 Timothy 5:1-2 refer to the elderly?

The combination of presbytero and neos found in 1 Timothy 5:1-2 appears also in 1 Peter 5:5.



Young men (neoteroi), in the same way be submissive to those who are older (presbuteros). All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."

The context of 1 Peter 5 speaks of elders and laity (younger in faith, not age). Similarly, in Titus 2, the word for the younger men and women is neos. Incidentally, Madigan and Osiek write that presbytis and presbytera are two forms which have more or less the same meaning.[3]

Gregory the Great, the Bishop of Rome wrote a letter to Januarius, Bishop of Calaris, in which he castigated him for his behavior. 

The preacher of Almighty God, Paul the apostle, says, Rebuke not an elder (1 Tim. v. 1). But this rule of his is to be observed in cases where the fault of an elder does not draw through his example the hearts of the younger into ruin. But, when an elder sets an example to the young for their ruin, he is to be smitten with severe rebuke. For it is written, Ye are all a snare to the young. And again the prophet says, The sinner being an hundred years old is accursed. (Selected Epistles, Book IX, Epistle I)

Clement of Alexandria called laity “the young.”[4] Also Matthew Henry recognized that Paul was writing about office holding elders.”[5]

In the Constitutions of the Holy Apostles (fourth century) we find a group of women who are defined as “elder women.” They cannot be part of laity, for they are named after the virgins and widows.

When thou callest an assembly of the Church as one that is the commander of a great ship, appoint the assemblies to be made with all possible skill, charging the deacons as mariners to prepare places for the brethren as for passengers, with all due care and decency. And first, let the building be long, with its head to the east, with its vestries on both sides at the east end, and so it will be like a ship. In the middle let the bishop’s throne be placed, and on each side of him let the presbytery sit down; and let the deacons stand near at hand, in close and small girt garments, for they are like the mariners and managers of the ship: with regard to these, let the laity sit on the other side, with all quietness and good order. And let the women sit by themselves, they also keeping silence. … In the next place, let the presbyters one by one, not all together, exhort the people, and the bishop in the last place, as being the commander. Let the porters stand at the entries of the men, and observe them. Let the deaconesses also stand at those of the women, like shipmen. For the same description and pattern was both in the tabernacle of the testimony and in the temple of God..... Let the young persons sit by themselves, if there be a place for them; if not, let them stand upright. But let those that are already stricken in years sit in order. For the children which stand, let their fathers and mothers take them to them. Let the younger women also sit by themselves, if there be a place for them; but if there be not, let them stand behind the women. Let those women which are married, and have children, be placed by themselves; but let the virgins, and the widows, and the elder women, stand or sit before all the rest; and let the deacon be the disposer of the places, that every one of those that comes in may go to his proper place, and may not sit at the entrance.[6] 

By the time the constitution was written, women were segregated from men in the church, but they had not yet been excluded from serving as deacons and elders. However, they were no longer allowed near the altar, for by the fourth century the leadership model of the Church had changed from the domestic overseer in the private home to the monarchial bishop who presided in God’s stead over a public assembly. The bishop was seated on a raised dais from which he governed the Church[7] and it was from this seat that Chrysostom wanted to exclude women.

In what sense then does he say, “I suffer not a woman to teach?”  He means to hinder her from publicly coming forward, and from the seat on the bema, not from the word of teaching. Since if this were the case, how would he have said to the woman that had an unbelieving husband, “How knowest thou, O woman, if thou shalt save thy husband?” Or how came he to suffer her to admonish children, when he says, but “she shall be saved by child-bearing if they continue in faith, and charity, and holiness, with sobriety?” How came Priscilla to instruct even Apollos? It was not then to cut in sunder private conversing for advantage that he said this, but that before all, and which it was the teacher’s duty to give in the public assembly; or again, in case the husband be believing and thoroughly furnished, able also to instruct her. When she is the wiser, then he does not forbid her teaching and improving him.[8] 


[1] Ibid., 163.
[2] Ibid., 220.
[3] Madigan and Osiek, 171. Epiphanius attempted to deny the existence of women elders by differentiating between presbytidas (“elderess”) and presbyeridas (“presbyteress”), and by claiming the latter had never existed in the church. Yet, Canon 11 of the Synod of Laodicea used the word presbytides for women presiders who had an official function (Eisen, 119, 121).
[4] “Let us therefore respect those who are over us, and reverence the elders; let us honour the young, and let us teach the discipline of God (Stromata, Book IV, XVII).
[5]To be very tender in rebuking elders-elders in age, elders by office” (1 Tim 5:1,” Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition).
[6] Constitutions of the Holy Apostles, Book II, Sec. VII. On Assembling in the Church.
[7] Torjesen, 157.
[8] Homilies on Romans, Homily XXXI.

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